Before you were born, God the Son took your flesh, he lived a perfect life and he went to the cross for you. Not in anger at His Son. Artists and poets have speculated over the centuries about hell (“Dante’s Inferno,” etc. Christ bridged the gap between God and man, and by faith in Him that gulf can be erased and we can come to know God personally. on 2. Bible verse of the day. Hi Mark, Rather Jesus “wore your sin” so that you could “wear His righteousness.” This is the divine exchange – our failings and filth for his faithfulness and forgiveness. You can find it here. That indulgent greed, that cherished pride, that settled envy, that secret lust, that subtle lie, that grumbling, that fault-finding, that deception—look at it now! He triumphed over hell for you on the cross. But……Jesus can. I agree the garden cup does not mention “suffering” specifically in the Greek. With our thoughts, actions, and words; each of us should seek to reflect the character and action of Jesus. I have no patience with these people-be they preachers, evangelists or theologians-who say that hell may or may not be fire. No. Perhaps later we will post another podcast or article with a more full exegesis of Psalm 22. Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel? O how we need to use our imagination to put ourselves back into his place and feel what he felt. do you think someone can lose their salvation? C and L. Chad, My heart believes that God would not forsake Jesus. 3. We go a little further in the podcast, but a blog may be helpful also. Jesus himself said that all will leave him EXCEPT the Father because he is with Him. Homosexuality, unbridled lust, and idolatry are all part of God’s judgment on a nation that has turned away from Him. H ere are seven good Bible verses about turning away from sin.. Luke 24:46-47 “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem”. Thanks! “turning your face away” symbolizes a break in fellowship. How beautiful to have that experience and these people will have it again when Jesus returns. That is why you must come to him, and be in him because. So you see, I believe that God the Father and God the Son willingly encumbered the WHOLE weight of sin at the cross. So many people think this is about God turning His face away from Jesus. Jesus called his audience to remember a psalm. I knew what it was to be away from Mother with no car fare to get back home. I just couldn’t believe that fully though, and I still don’t. Christ was not overcome. !” (Mark 15:34) and “Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.” (Isaiah 53: 3-4). Laticia, God did not make mankind choose yet, like the providing of permanent clothes for their sojourn in the wilderness, He made the way for mankinf to survive (always giving a way out 1 Corinthians 10 v13). Posted on April 18, 2019 by Lynn. It involves a procedure that brings great pain to the little boy. He turned away in sorrow and deepest pain when He saw what sin had done. ‘He bears the full weight of my sin’, yes. G od is very clear in His Word that He deals with people, individually or as groups (cities, nations, etc.) Yes, God got dirty when he became a human and lived among us for 33 years. We are ready to make an impact in 2021! Permissions: You have permission and are encouraged to reproduce and distribute this material in any format you choose, as long as you do not alter or change the wording in any way and do not charge a fee (beyond the cost of reproducing these materials). New King James Version Now I know better. If then we are the children of God, we ought not to imagine God in terms of gold or silver or stone, contrived by human art or imagination. Luke, especially, ... nor did he turn away from it. Scripture commanded the people of God to "hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by." In the depths of his agony, Jesus cries out, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”. (Vol. In scripture, God would sometimes send a "fury" of disease and death to punish those who had turned to lifestyles of sin and idolatry. Are you saved? For example, the Spirit never operates independently from the Father and the Son, etc. Are you suggesting that Jesus (God) mis-spoke. It was ours. 13, 1916, [7] C. H. Spurgeon sermon, The Saddest Cry From the Cross, #2803, Jan. 7, 1877, "This Week at Unlocking the Bible" features new articles, radio programs, devotionals, and ministry updates. That’s how much God loves you. John 1:14 says, “The Word became flesh and dwelled among us.” The eternal Word incarnated himself and took on the nature of a human. The idea of Jesus initiating a hymn of worship, which pointed to himself on the cross can seem like a strange way to interpret Jesus’ words on the cross. I agree and appreciate your thoughts on this matter, as it has been a topic of much thought for me as well. How could the Father plunge the Son he loved into these torments? “Indeed the hour is coming, yes, has now come, that you will be scattered, each to his own, and will leave Me alone. Pastor Colin Smith preached this … God-forsaken. These words of Jesus open four windows into what was happening in these hours of darkness. I am more careful about how I approach the topic because people are really defensive about it. He knew about this in his own experience. God did hide his face… he did not deliver him, but certainly wanted him to take the curse for us… in our place! “This Week at Unlocking the Bible” features new articles, radio programs, devotionals, and ministry updates, Colin Smith is the Senior Pastor of The Orchard Evangelical…, He is in blackest darkness (2 Peter 2:17), He is separated from the love of God (2 Thessalonians 1:9). Thanks for your comment. Agree fully that Jesus’ sacrifice and resurrection made the way for salvation and forgiveness and restored relationship with God. The ULTIMATE price . Listen to these words of Richard Sibbes, If you would… see the most ugly colors of sin, then see it in Christ upon the cross, see… how bitter a thing it was… forcing Him to… send forth strong cries to His Father, “My God, my God why have you forsaken me.[3]. Blessings! The exchange, during that moment is that Jesus won the victory. The experience was so horrible that the night before, Jesus prayed that this cup would be taken from him. The worst thing about hell is that God has turned His face from those who are there. Pastor Colin Smith preached this … I started my own study and research after that. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Hi Phil, 3 Israel was holy to the Lord, the first-fruits of His gathering. Repentance is difficult because part of us enjoys our sin. He Jesus, willingly took on what we could not. ... For the L ord your God is gracious and merciful and will not turn away his face from you, if you return to him. All that being said, I believe there is so much more than we could ever know about the Atonement and the cross. We have heard many times (including in songs) the teaching that “turning his face away” means that God the Father cannot look upon sin, and the result is that fellowship between Father and Son was broken. Look at what that sin cost and learn to hate it at the cross. So if Jesus was separated from God, as people claim, and if He had to endure that, then why does God need to exercise this same wrath and judgement at the end of the days? I wonder if Jesus isn’t asking for the cup of wrath, or suffering to be “removed” but is offering the cup of his blood (which he defined just a few moments earlier at the Lord’s Supper) to be received by the Father. As such, I believe He did for a time. Thank you Hudson for your comment. No, He loved his Son as much at that moment as He ever had. He absorbed it in himself in order to save you from it. They would also see the promise of the coming victory, which we hear at the end of Ps 22. Your sins were laid on him and he entered into your hell. As such, I believe He did for a time…..take on that separation from God the Father; “My God, my God! This is why from the cross we see Jesus speaking to the other Persons of the Trinity, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do” and “Father, into your hands I commit my Spirit.” (Talk about the strong unity of the Trinity to the very end! The bible doesn’t teach he endured eternity in hell, since that is unscriptural as well. When these times come, you need to know Jesus has been there. It isn’t possible. “Jesus is a Person of the Triune Godhead for all eternity.” For posting on the web, a link to this document on our website ( is preferred. StudyLı Thank you so much for sharing such a great truth, I still would like you to shed light on the scriptures Jesus quoted. Heresy! King James Bible And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction. He turned away in anger over all the sin of the world that sent His Son to the cross. To be our sin-bearer, Christ received in himself the hell that our sins bring. An eclipse does not last for three hours. At the end of these three hours of darkness, the light returned. No doubt that Jesus could “feel” abandoned and alone on the cross. Thank you for sharing this truth and clearing up what has become a common error preached with great vigor by well-meaning teachers. Get this book. In fact Ps 22:24 says that God has NOT forsaken, has NOT turned his face away. While we have turned away from God in rebellion, God has turned back toward us even to the extent of sending his Son. Furthermore, 2Cor 5:18-19 says “Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Messiah and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Messiah reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.” How could He be in Him and turned away at the same time? Now go and make this amazing Jesus known. Just last Sunday, a grandmother in the congregation asked me to pray for her grandson, who is undergoing extended medical treatment for a severe condition. Also, the original Greek does not indicate the cup “of suffering” – these words are only found in a few English translations. I do believe that hell is fire. And what is the fullness of it? As such, I believe He did for a time…..take on that separation from God the Father; “My God, my God! Thank you so very much for clearing that up for me I was asked by someone why could God not look upon sin if the devil came before him in job with the angles and now I have this in my knowledge box thank you and GOD BLESS YOU have a blessed day. I preach this today, because I do not want you to know what that is like, ever. In the present theophany Yahweh is presented in very anthropomorphic terms, with references to his face, his hand, and his back. It’s very hot,” what’s the first thing you want to do? Actually there have been only a few who disagreed strongly, and those are included. Later, I brought it up with some people at my current church and you would think I was telling them something from another religion! Isaiah 50:6. Jesus said, “The reason my father loves me is that I lay down my life” (John 10:17). How can we learn to hate our sins, so that we do not keep going back to them again and again? If you would like someone from our staff to call you, please include your phone number. The good news is that God knows those who are His and promises to reward them, even when all others have turned away. Turn 2 psalms 14:1 although there are scriptures which are not true they are truly recorded. One way to measure the love of God for you is by the price that was paid to redeem you. For the L ord your God is gracious and merciful and will not turn away his face from you, if you return to him. It cannot be, for God does not have a face. Any exceptions to the above must be approved by Unlocking the Bible, 1-866-865-6253. If God could not look upon sin, then the incarnation (and many other significant events) could not take place. Aug 4, 2019 - You’ve heard it too, haven’t you? I’ve been a Protestant Pastor for over 20 years and I’m just now getting a better understanding of what some call “The Chair Gospel” teaching of the early church’s understanding of salvation. We go into more detail in our podcast with the link in blog. He would speak about the “black dog” that was too often with him, and he urged his congregation to be gentle with people who find themselves in great darkness, Some strong-minded people are apt to be very hard upon nervous folks, and to say, ‘They should not get into that state.’ And we are liable to speak harshly to people who are very depressed in spirit, and to say to them, ‘Really, you ought to rouse yourself out of such a state…’ I hope none of you will ever have such an experience of this depression of spirit as I have had; yet I have learned from it to be very tender with all fellow sufferers.[7]. From the sixth hour [midday] until the ninth hour [3 in the afternoon], darkness came over all the land. Not at all suggesting that Jesus mis-spoke or was wrong. He Jesus, willingly took on what we could not. Completely forsaken. However, the worst thing about hell is that God is not there. ⦁ As a new creation in Christ, God is working within us to renew and restore the image of God. Then I ask you, ‘Did you base your faith upon His smile?’ For if you did, you mistook the true ground of faith. When God looked down and saw his Son bearing the sin of the world, He didn't see His Son, He saw instead the sin that He was bearing. When everything around us feels out of control, we can allow Scripture to prove to us that God has been, is, and will be sovereign over our lives and world. Now when I say “abandoned” I mean in the fullest sense as that is what seems to be implied when I hear it preached or in songs. Enter a Verse Reference (e.g., John 3:16-17) Jesus is not on the cross now. Christ endured all that hell is on the cross. My point is, what is God’s coming wrath? Selah.” God in the Old Testament The God in the Old Testament is the same God in the New. Often in the Bible God seems to hide His face. Why is that? See great value in church history. Psalms 66:20 - Blessed be God, Who has not turned away my prayer Nor His lovingkindness from me. I'd say, "Mama! But Jesus was indeed “touched” by death’s sting. So we assume then that the consequences for those who die still in defiant rebellion against God don’t in fact get cut off from God? Or perhaps he was calling his hearers to remember Psalm 22, with the amazing details and truths and hope and rallying cry at the end when “It is Finished!” (See particularly Ps:22:24 which says directly “he has not hidden his face from him”) If God cannot look at sin, then what does that say about Jesus? from Friday, April 14. Also, you seem quite certain about the Trinity, and your word “unbiblical” can mean many things. From all of scripture, I see so much more evidence of God’s faithfulness and willingness to look upon a sinner with grace, then that somehow, in all of His strength and power, He simply can’t bear to look at it. This is important for our faith. Morality can tell you what sin is, but it cannot teach you to hate it. This verse then makes the very intense statement that God will hide His face from us and that He will not even hear us if we try and speak to Him. Hi Andre, The schism / void / brokeness would not have been transferred from the earth to heaven. Would be good to flesh out your statements more clearly as you jump from one large theological topic to another (God’s grief?, choice, clothing, survival, escaping temptation, journey, pathways). Also, not sure what you mean about “both judgments of the two lineages of humanity.” Read Set Your Face Like a Flint (Isaiah 50:7) - Your Daily Bible Verse - January 2 from today's daily devotional. It was the “third hour” when they crucified Jesus (Mark 15:25). Your love was as a bride. Thanks for your comment. He loved us first, Jesus looked directly upon sinners, and he promises not to leave or forsake us. But we do think is saddens God to hear that… Thanks for reading and commenting! The disciples had forsaken him, but now Jesus enters into an even deeper isolation, he is forsaken by God. Not Yet a Member? What they saw with their eyes was prophesied 1,000 years before. He turned away in anger over all the sin of the world that sent His Son to the cross. As you ponder Holy Week, may you realize that God loves you so much that he didn’t turn away from Jesus on the cross. 28 that if we honor and obey God, we reap blessings. Not sure what you mean by “although there are scriptures which are not true they are truly recorded.” So Good! One of my brothers in the faith and I have been researching this and pouring over scripture again and again to find the right answer, even to try to prove the opposite of what we believe, but cannot find substantial evidence that supports the “God abandoned Jesus” idea. And we should also not think that sin can separate the Persons of the Trinity. (Ps 33:12) For centuries since her founding, America has been immensely blessed, and Americans honored, worshiped, and served the God of the Bible. The punishment include a break from gods fellowship. Clearly Christ died, but did his cry from the cross imply that God had left him? 2 Chronicles 30:9b - ESV. - Duration: 41:15. I can sing it with a bit of double think: ‘The Father appears to turn His face away, by giving His Son over to execution, but actually sustains Him through His suffering’. We also agree that Psalm 22 is not oral tradition. ⦁ God has set us apart to engage the world – not to retreat from it. We’re exploring the love of Christ through the seven words He spoke from the cross…, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” (Luke 23:34), “Today you will be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:43), The third word Christ spoke from the cross was a tender word of compassion that He spoke to His mother…, “Dear woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “here is your mother.” (John 19:26-27). The triunity of God cannot be broken by His creation. Here are 34 verses related with the popularity level of each verse. blessings! Christ endured the punishment for sin on the cross. Jesus was in great anguish. The Triune God is too strong to be split by anything, including all of the world’s combined evil! Hell is fire because God says hell is fire! This is about as graphic of a warning that we can possibly receive from the Lord if any of us is wallowing and walking in any heavy sin areas, and then we try to approach Him to answer any of our personal prayers. 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